[html4all] 5 gears in reverse - anne v k enters the alt attribute debate

Steven Faulkner faulkner.steve at gmail.com
Fri Sep 21 06:06:48 PDT 2007


>PS I believe the idea of this group was that it would focus on important
>stuff in an environment free of rudeness and disrespect. I consider ad
>hominem attacks to be very antipathetic to that goal, and would love them
>to vanish from this list. I get enough mail already.

I agree with your view Charles,
my original post was written in order to both flag anne's views on the alt
to this group and also to point out some errors in his argument, which I
think is focusing on the important stuff as anne is an important paricipant
in the HTML WG.




On 21/09/2007, Charles McCathieNevile <chaals at opera.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:52:07 +0200, Philip Taylor (Webmaster)
> <P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > It is, sadly, clear that Anne does not care too
> > much about standards.
>
> I am Anne's manager, and I consider him a friend. And I think it is
> totally untrue to suggest that he doesn't care about standards.
>
> >  Here are the first two
> > lines from his site --
> >
> >> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN">
> >> <!-- It's valid, sure. -->
> >
> > Putting the assertion to the test reveals :
> >
> >> This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Strict!
> >> Result:      Failed validation, 4 Errors
>
> Putting the validator to the test by reading the actual specification[1]
> it is attempting to validate to, we find that
>
> [[[
> The FPI for the Transitional HTML 4.01 DTD is:
>
>         "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
> ]]]
>
> In other words, that validator is making a requirement out of a common
> habit. Anne is correct, the validator is wrong.
>
> This is not a surprise to me. He and I disagree pretty passionately about
> the right way to do all kinds of things, but he is *very* knowledgeable on
> standards and what they really allow and don't, and I generally trust him
> (and for that matter quite a lot of other people) over any program when it
> comes to interpreting a specification.
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/dtd.html
>
> Cheers
>
> Chaals
>
> PS I believe the idea of this group was that it would focus on important
> stuff in an environment free of rudeness and disrespect. I consider ad
> hominem attacks to be very antipathetic to that goal, and would love them
> to vanish from this list. I get enough mail already.
>
> --
>   Charles McCathieNevile, Opera Software: Standards Group
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