[html4all] #headers back in HTML5

[Robert J Burns]

Just to add to a little to this conversation regarding table  
attributes and the restoration of the headers attribute.  I think  
another result of the careful examination of these issues by the WG  
members months back was that scope attribute suffers from many of the  
same problems as the axis attribute. The scope attribute was never  
clearly defined and so neither implementations nor authors ever  
understood how to use or handle scope properly. I think now that the  
headers attribute is back, the need for the scope attribute vanishes.  
And given the inherent confusion in the specification of scope, it  
would be better if HTML5 simply dropped it all together. My concern is  
that our current editor becomes too rigidly and uncritically adds and  
removes committed parts of the language without any concern for the  
needs of users and authors.

Take care,
Rob


On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote:

> On Mar 21, 2008, at 19:48, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
>> Henri Sivonen 08-03-21 13.05:
>>> On Mar 21, 2008, at 13:29, Steven Faulkner wrote:
>>>> I have been keeping an eye on the htmlwg list, didn't see this
>>>> announced or mentioned, did anybody else see anything?
>>>
>>> It was not announced on a mailing list (most spec edits aren't).
>>
>> But some big ones are.
>
> Hixie mentioned on IRC that an email is coming up but he isn't done  =
>
> with the edits yet.
>
> No conspiracy here.
>
>> Though, you Henri left one small hint at the bottom of a message with
>> this subject (posted 15th of March): "xml:lang in the light of error
>> frequencies". [1] There you added:
>>
>>   As before, I think we should make zero-width image and iframe  =
>
>> border
>>   conforming, HTML 4.01 Strict table attributes (except axis)
>>   conforming and make iframe width/height conforming.
>>
>> When I saw it, I almost wrote a note to this list about it. (The only
>> thing I wonder about in that message, is when =ABbefore=BB was.) ;-)
>
> "Before" was:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jan/0305.html
>
>> 3 days later, it was added. [2]
>
> That's a coincidence.
>
>> Perhaps it is about time starting to research the axis attribute?
>
> Please do.
>
> My opinion about excluding axis is based on an assumption that it's  =
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> too complex for authors to use and for users to query and that it  =
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> hasn't been implemented widely if at all. Given how little  =
>
> implementation info Google turns up, axis seems to be a dead letter  
> in  =
>
> HTML 4.01.
>
> -- =
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> Henri Sivonen
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